Gilbert Genealogy Y-DNA Project

Thomas Gilbert of Braintree, MA Line

We have an interesting situation that has developed in the Braintree line.   We have 17 participants of the project who have a paper trail showing descent from Thomas Gilbert of Braintree's two sons Thomas and Jonathan.  Their DNA all matches, and for awhile at least, it appeared we had established a solid baseline for the Braintree line.    Over the past couple of years, however, other participants joined the project who thought they descended from Thomas of Braintree's son Obadiah, but while they all matched each other, they did not match the descendants of Thomas' sons Thomas and Jonathan.   We thought we might have a problem in the Obadiah branch somewhere that caused the DNA to be altered.  By problem, I mean a non-paternity event...an adoption, illegitimacy, infidelity or name change...that caused the DNA of the line to not be reflective of the surname it carried.   Now, however, we have an even greater issue.  A descendant of Thomas of Braintree's son John has now been tested, and he also matches the DNA of the Obadiah descendants!  Assuming everyone's research is correct, we now have the descendants of sons Jonathan and Thomas with one type of DNA, and the descendants of sons Obadiah and John with another type. 

There are several possible explanations for why this has happened, not the least of which is faulty research, but there also could have been multiple non-paternity events.  A more likely explanation, however, is that there was another Gilbert immigrant to New England who settled amongst the Braintree descendants at some point and his descendants have just been confused with Thomas'.   There is no way of knowing for sure what happened right now, but my suggestion is that all lineages below be stringently reviewed to make sure there were no leaps of faith taken or assumptions made.  If there were leaps of faith taken, please let me know about them, and I'll note them.     

1 Richard Gilbert b: Abt. 1550 UK  d:  1626 Yardley, UK
.. 2 Thomas Gilbert b: 1589 in Yardley, Worcester, UK (aka Thomas Gilbert of Braintree)

Descendants of Sons Thomas and Jonathan of the Braintree Line (Braintree DNA Type 1)

..... 3 Thomas Gilbert b: 1612 in Yardley, Worcester, UK
........ 4 Thomas Gilbert b: 1658 in Springfield, MA
............ 5 Thomas Gilbert b: 03 Nov 1681 in Springfield, MA
............... 6 Josiah Gilbert b: 17 Feb 1717 in Brookfield, MA
................... 7 Jacob Gilbert
...................... 8 John C. Gilbert b: Abt. 1771 in Massachusetts
.......................... 9 James S. Gilbert b: Abt. 1823 in New York
............................. 10 Francis Marion Gilbert b: Abt. 1849 in Italy, Yates Co., NY
................................. 11 Francis Marion Gilbert b: May 1882 in Steuben Co., NY
.................................... 12 Edgar D Gilbert b: 16 Jul 1910 in Rochester, Monroe Co., NY
........................................ 13 Private
........................................... 14 Kit SMGF002                  (DYS 449 32 -> 31)    (Additional Information)
................... 7 Josiah Gilbert b: Jan 1750 in MA
...................... 8 Reuben K. Gilbert b: 11 Feb 1786 NH
.......................... 9 Josiah Bates Gilbert b: 28 Mar 1822 NY
............................. 10 Charles H. Gilbert b: 28 Apr 1869 NY
................................. 11 Charles H. Gilbert Jr. b: 21 Apr 1912 NY
.................................... 12 Kit ANC018      (exact match on modal haplotype)
........ 4 Henry Gilbert b: Abt. 1661 in Springfield, MA
............ 5 John Gilbert b: 10 Oct 1685 in Springfield, Hamden Co., MA
............... 6 William Gilbert b: 18 Mar 1747 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
................... 7 Nathan Gilbert b: 11 Feb 1777 in Marlboro Twp., Windham Co., VT
...................... 8 Amasa Gilbert b: 22 Mar 1816 in NY
.......................... 9 Oramel Gilbert b: Abt. 1849 in Jackson Co., IN
............................. 10 Clarence Gilbert b: Feb 1871 in IL
................................. 11 Glenn Cusick Gilbert b: Nov 1892 in IL
.................................... 12 Kit 133506                             (DYS 458 17 -> 16   DYS 449 32 ->31)
............ 5 Samuel Gilbert b: 07 Aug 1689 in Springfield, Hamden Co., MA
............... 6 Samuel Gilbert b: 26 Feb 1715 in Brookfield, Worcester, MA  d: 16 Apr 1778 in Brookfield, Worcester, MA
................... 7 Elias Gilbert b: 6 Oct 1748 in Brookfield, Worcester, MA  d: 20 Aug 1828 in Rushville, Yates, NY
...................... 8 Simeon  Gilbert b: 19 Jan 1781 in Worthington, Hampshire, MA  d: 15 Dec 1813 in Gorham, Ontario, NY
.......................... 9 Mason Gilbert b: 27 Mar 1801 in Middlesex, Ontario, NY  d: 8 Feb 1864 Algonac/Clay, St. Clair, MI   (DYS 444 13 -> 14)
............................. 10 Charles Gilbert b: 18 Feb 1824 prob. in Delaware Co., NY  d: 8 Oct 1892 in Algonac, St. Clair, MI
................................. 11 Charles Mason Gilbert b: 2 Sep 1852 in Algonac, St. Clair, MI  d: 27 Mar 1938 in Algonac, St. Clair, MI
.................................... 12 Clayton Marshall Gilbert b: 14 Mar 1879 Dimondale, MI  d: 24 May 1966 in Algonac, St. Clair, MI
 ...................................... 13 Arthur Muir Gilbert b: 16 Jul 1904 in Algonac, St. Clair, MI  d:  16 Feb 1981 Leesburg, FL
.......................................... 14  Kit ANC021
................................. 11 James Warren Gilbert b: 22 Aug 1867 in Algonac, St. Clair, MI  d: 27 Feb 1922 in  in Algonac, St. Clair, MI
.................................... 12 Frederick Petit Gilbert  b: 21 Dec 1890  in Algonac, St. Clair, MI 11 May 1868 in East China, St. Clair, MI
 ...................................... 13 Fred Petit Gilbert  b: 28 May 1917 in Algonac, St. Clair, MI  16 Oct 2004 Greenwood, Greenwood, SC
.......................................... 14  Kit ANC022   (DYS YCA2a > 19)
............... 6 Otheniel Gilbert b: 20 Oct 1728 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
................... 7 Pelitah Gilbert b: 19 Feb 1750 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
...................... 8 Calvin Gilbert b: 23 Mar 1784 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
.......................... 9 George Huntington Gilbert b: 27 Jul 1802 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
............................. 10 Zebina Abbott Gilbert b: 23 Oct 1830 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
................................. 11 Fred Gilbert b: 1863 in Brookfield, MA
.................................... 12 Private b: 1914 in Brookfield, MA
....................................... 13 Private b: 1939
.......................................... 14 Kit TO57383                  (DYS 449 32 -> 33 and DYS 464b 13 -> 14)
............ 5 Ebenezer Gilbert b: 21 Jun 1693 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
............... 6 Henry Gilbert b: 15 May 1719 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
................... 7 Henry Gilbert b: 25 Nov 1754 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
...................... 8 Domer Gilbert b: 27 Jul 1789 in Peru, Berkshire Co., MA
.......................... 9 Hiram Benson Gilbert b: 11 Aug 1834 in Cummington, Hampshire Co., MA
............................. 10 Charles Benson Gilbert b: 28 Sep 1874 in Mundy Twp., Genesee Co., MI
................................. 11 Edward Hiram Gilbert b: 07 Feb 1904 in Washington, MI
.................................... 12 Kit 142383                            (DYS 464a 13 ->12)
............ 5 Thomas Gilbert b: 1695 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
............... 6 Abner Gilbert b: 08 Jun 1721 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
................... 7 Eli Gilbert b: 09 Mar 1762 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
...................... 8 Hezekiah Gilbert b: 25 Aug 1784 in USA
.......................... 9 Joseph Gilbert b: Abt. 1810 in Canboro, Ont., Can.
............................. 10 Peter Gilbert b: Abt. 1834 in Caistor Twp., Lincoln Co., Ont., Can.
................................. 11 Ernest George Gilbert b: Abt. 1859 in Caistor Twp., Lincoln, Co., Ont., Can.
.................................... 12 Ernest Plato Gilbert b: 15 Mar 1894 in Ont., Can.
........................................ 13 Dudley Ernest Frampton Gilbert b: 1921 in Lincoln Co., Ont. Can.
........................................... 14 Kit 134666                     (CDY B  38 -> 37 )  (Additional Information)
............... 6 Thomas Gilbert b: 21 Jun 1739 in Brookfield, Worcester Co., MA
................... 7 Edmund Gilbert b: Sep 1801 in Washington Co., NY
...................... 8 John A. Gilbert b: Abt. 1839 in Delaware Co., IN
.......................... 9 Mahlon Edmund Gilbert b: Abt. 1871 in Harrison Co., IN
............................. 10 Boyden Gilbert b: 28 Sep 1891 in Muncie, Delaware Co., IN
................................. 11 Robert Morris Gilbert b: 1921 in Philadelphia, PA
.................................... 12 Kit 109930                           (DYS 458 17 ->16)
..... 3 Jonathan Gilbert b: 1617 in Yardley, Worcester, UK
........ 4 Samuel Gilbert b: 05 Aug 1664 in Hartford, CT
............ 5 Samuel Gilbert b: 05 Feb 1688 in Hartford, CT
............... 6 Samuel Gilbert b: 01 May 1712 in Lebanon, CT
................... 7 Samuel Gilbert b: 03 Jun 1734 in Gilead, CT
...................... 8 John Gilbert b: 01 Jan 1787 in Hebron, Tolland Co., CT
.......................... 9 Samuel Gilbert b: 02 Feb 1809 in Gilead, CT
............................. 10 John Gilbert b: 15 Feb 1838
................................. 11 Lemuel Gilbert b: 14 Jan 1876 in Metamora, IL
.................................... 12 Harold Gilbert b: 02 Nov 1898 in Atlanta, IL
........................................ 13 Private
........................................... 14 Kit 40922                   (DYS 464c 13 ->14  CDY a 36 -> 34)
................... 7 Silvester Gilbert b: 20 Oct 1755 in Hebron, Tolland Co., CT
...................... 8 Ralph Gilbert b: 12 Sep 1790 in Hebron, Tolland Co., CT
.......................... 9 Henry Clay Gilbert b: 18 Aug 1832
............................. 10 Clifton Catlin Gilbert b: 17 Nov 1873
................................. 11 Gordon Lorenzo Gilbert b: 11 Dec 1908 in Los Angeles Co., CA
.................................... 12 Kit 136955                        (exact match on modal haplotype...12 markers)
.................................... 12 Kit N47561                        (exact match on modal haplotype)
............... 6 Ezra Gilbert b: 23 May 1726 in Hebron, CT
................... 7 Truman Gilbert b: 27 Jul 1757 in Warren, CT
...................... 8 Walter Gilbert b: 31 Mar 1795 in Warren, CT
.......................... 9 Truman Gilbert b: 06 Apr 1827 in Portage Co., OH
............................. 10 Walter Joshua Gilbert b: 04 Dec 1871 in Byron Twp., MI
................................. 11 Truman Judson Gilbert b: 17 Mar 1911 in Dorr, MI
.................................... 12 Kit 49NFW4                      (DYS 449 32 -> 33 and DYS 446 17 -> 16)
...................... 8 Charles Gilbert b: 23 Feb 1783 in Fairfield, CT
.......................... 9 Champion Marion Gilbert b: 31 Mar 1810
............................. 10 Austin Gilbert b: 07 Jul 1843
................................. 11 Robert Champion Gilbert b: 02 Oct 1869
.................................... 12 Cecil Winfield Gilbert b: 24 Oct 1896
........................................ 13 Kit 94084                      (exact match on modal haplotype)
................... 7 Joseph Gilbert b: 30 Sep 1764 in Kent, CT
...................... 8 Joseph Gilbert Jr. b: 06 Jul 1792 in Stafford, CT
.......................... 9 David H. Gilbert b: 22 Oct 1822 in Naples, NY
............................. 10 David Marion Gilbert b: 10 Aug 1852 in Kaysville, Utah Territory
................................. 11 Marion M. Gilbert b: 16 Apr 1896 in Red Bluff, CA
.................................... 12 Kit 60IBF4                        (exact match on modal haplotype)
...................... 8 Nathaniel A. Gilbert b: 24 Apr 1806 in Strafford, VT
.......................... 9 Anson Thomas Gilbert b: 20 Feb 1845 in Leonidas, MI
............................. 10 Frank Oren Gilbert b: 05 May 1875 in Branch Co. MI
................................. 11 Kit 59658                              (DYS 393 14 ->13  CYD b 38 ->39)
............... 6 Ebenezer Gilbert b: 09 Apr 1732 in Hebron, CT
................... 7 Asahel Gilbert b: 15 Dec 1760 in Hebron, CT
...................... 8 Charles Whiting Gilbert b: 1796 in Connecticut
.......................... 9 Abram Van Tuyl Gilbert b: 1825
............................. 10 Franz Delivan Gilbert b: 1854 in Illinois
................................. 11 Chester Van Tyle Gilbert b: 1888 in California
.................................... 12 Robert Franz Gilbert b: 1919 in Las Vegas, Clark Co., NV
........................................ 13 Private
........................................... 14 Kit ANC008                  (DYS 444 13 -> 14)
..... 3 Ezekiel Gilbert b: 1622 in Yardley, Worcester, UK  (not yet represented)
..... 3 Josiah Gilbert b: 1625 in Yardley, Worcester, UK   (not yet represented)
 

The following Gilbert lines are matches with the Thomas Gilbert of Braintree, MA lines above genetically, but their exact connection to the family has not yet been determined.

1 Stephen Gilbert  b. 10 Mar 1796 Lysander, Onodago Co., NY  d. 28 Feb 1869 Flowerfield, St. Joseph, MI
... 2 Joseph Addison Gilbert b. 8 May 1832 NY d. 25 Jan 1895 Manhattan, KS
....... 3 Mowry Calvin Gilbert b. 16 Feb 1863 Dorr, MI  d. 16 Sep 1951 Wichita, Sedgwick Co., KS
........... 4 Ernst Eugene Gilbert b. 1899 KS  d. 5 Jan 1987 Colorado Springs, CO
................ 5 Vincent E. Gilbert b. 14 Jan 1926 Evanston, Cook Co., IL  d. 17 Dec 2004 IL
.................... 6  Kit 191273  

1 Mason Gilbert b. 27 Mar 1801 CT  d. 8 Feb 1864 Algonac, St. Clair Co., MI
... 2 Charles Mason Gilbert b. 18 Feb 1824 near Otsego Co., NY d. 8 Oct 1882 Algonac, St. Clair Co., MI
....... 3 Charles Mason Gilbert b. 2 Sep 1852 Algonac, St. Clair Co.,MI 
........... 4 Clayton Marshall Gilbert  b. 14 Mar 1879 Dimondale, MI
................ 5 Arthur Muir Gilbert 16 Jul 1904 Algonac, MI
.................... 6 Kit ANC021
....... 3 James Warren Gilbert b. 22 Aug 1867 Algonac, St. Clair Co.,St. Clair Co., MI d. 27 Feb 1992 Algonac, St. Clair Co., MI
........... 4 Frederick Petit Gilbert b. 28 May 1890 Algonac, St. Clair Co.,St. Clair Co., MI d. 11 May 1969 MI
................ 5 Fred Petit Gilbert Jr. b. 28 May 1917 Algonac, St. Clair Co.,St. Clair Co., MI  d. 16 Oct 2004 Greenwood, Greenwood Co., SC
.................... 6 Kit ANC022
 

Descendants of Sons Obadiah and John of the Braintree Line (Braintree DNA Type 2)

..... 3 John Gilbert b: 1619 in Yardley, Worcester, UK    
....... 4 Joseph Gilbert 1666 - 1751
......... 5 Joseph Gilbert b. July 27, 1701 Hartford, CT d. Oct. 6, 1741 Hartford, CT
........... 6 Theodore Gilbert b. Sept. 20, 1730 Hartford, CT d. Apr. 27, 1821, Barkhamsted, CT
............. 7 Asa Gilbert b. Nov. 14, 1755 Hartford, CT d. Sept 23 1836 Barkhamsted, CT
............... 8 Franklin Gilbert b. 1810,  Hartford, CT d. Feb. 8, 1875 Byron, MN
................. 9 Asa Goodwin Gilbert b. 1844, WI d. June 28, 1897, Byron, MN
................... 10 Francis Charles Gilbert b. Jan 16, 1890 Byron, MN d. Dec 3, 1951, Oakland,CA
..................... 11 Kit 154525