Kit 101935 and Kit ANC009
1. Michael Gilbert b. abt. 1605 Yorkshire, Eng d. 1677
Yorkshire, Eng
2. Michael Gilbert, Jr. b. 1641/1642 Yorkshire, Eng d. Oct.
2, 1691 Yorkshire, Eng
3. Garvis/Jarvis Gilbert b. 1680
Leeds, Yorkshire, Eng d. 1739 Harford Co., MD
4. Samuel
Solomon Gilbert Sr. b. 1709 Baltimore Co., MD d. 1776 Bedford Co., VA
5. Samuel Gilbert Jr. b. 1735/36 Harford Co. MD d. aft. Oct. 14,
1803 in TN
6. Webster Gilbert b. abt. 1769 in NC or Bedford Co., VA d. abt. 1844 Robertson
Co., TN
7. Samuel Gilbert b. 1804 TN (believe Robertson Co. ) d. Sept.3, 1873 St. Clair
Co, MO
8. John W. Gilbert b. Nov. 15, 1835 TN, March 27, 1886 Cedar Co., MO
9. William Columbus Gilbert b. Jan.26, 1881 St. Clair Co., MO d. Oct. 12, 1923
Woodson Co., KS
10. Orville Otis Gilbert, b. 1901 Cedar Co., MO d. Sept. 19, 1964
Pulaski Co., MO
11. Kit 101935
7. John Gilbert b. Oct. 30, 1806 Robertson Co. TN d. Sept. 23, 1877 Allen
Co., KY
8. Isaac Gilbert b. July 21, 1842 Simpson Co., KY d. July 10, 1920 Warren Co., KY
9.
Dillon Joseph Gilbert b. March 6, 1883 Warren Co., KY d. Dec. 16, 1945 Henry
Co., TN
10. Private
11. Kit ANC009
DNA Results:
The DNA Results confirm that these donors are from the Garvis Gilbert line. They do not prove that the above lineage is accurate, but support the theory.
The researcher of this lines provides the following research information:
Thoughts about Webster, Samuel, and John Gilbert
1820 Robertson Co., Tennessee
Webster has either 5 or 6 sons and 2 daughters. Depends on whether Samuel was counted twice. Explained below.
1 male under 10
1 male 10 and under 16 = John who would have been 14
2 males 16 to 18 = one would be Samuel (age 16) and the other ??
2 males 16 and under 26 Was Samuel included in this count also?
1 male 26 and under 45 = should be Webster but he should have been 50-51
1 female 1 to 10
1 female 10 and under 16
1 female 26 and under 45 = should be Susannah but she would have been 47
1 female slave 14 to 26
1830 Robertson Co., Tennessee
Webster now has 3 sons and 2 daughters. John married in 1827 and has left the home.
1 male under 5 ???
1 male 15 and under 20 ??
1 male 20 and under 30 = Samuel who would have been 26
1 male 50 and under 60 = should be Webster but he would have been 60 61
but close in age
1 female 10 and under 15
1 female 20 and under 30
1 female - 40 and under 50 should be Susannah but wrong age s/b 57
In the 1830 Robertson Co., Tennessee census John Gilbert is found (M19, 179, 414). He is some distance from his family. Census states:
John Gilbert
1 male under 6 which would have been William Daniel
1 male 20 to 30 which would have been John age 24
1 female 20 to 30 which would have been Margaret age 20
1840 Robertson Co., Tennessee
Webster has 1 daughter at home Listed on line 18
1 male 60 and under 70 = Webster age 70
1 female - 20 and under 30 - corresponds to 1830 census
1 female 60 and under 70 = Susannah age 67
All ages agree on this census
Samuel is found on same page on line 12
1 male - under 5 = William Webster
1 male 5 and under 10 = John W.
1 male 30 and under 40 = Samuel age 36
1 female 15 and under 20 should be Charlotte (Lottie) but age is off s/b 23
1840 Simpson Co., Kentucky
John Gilbert moved to Kentucky and has 3 sons and 2 daughters
2 males 5 and under 10 = Thomas age 8 and James R. age 6
1 male 10 and under 15 = William Daniel age 10 or 11
1 male 30 and under 40 = John Gilbert age 34
2 females under 5 = Mary age 4 and Susan age 1
1 female 30 to 40 = Margaret age 30
All agree on sex and ages
Also found David Cooper whom I believe is Margarets father living next door to John Gilbert in 1840 Simpson County, Kentucky. I also found him in Robertson County, Tennessee in the 1830 census one page before Webster. I found him also in the 1820 Tennessee census. This might explain the J.E. Cooper in the 1850 census. J.E. could likely be the sister of Margaret.
1850 Simpson County, Kentucky
Both John and Samuel on found on this census right next door to each other. John has real estate valued at 1700 and Samuel has none which leads me to believe that Samuel is helping John on his farm.
John Gilbert 42
Margaret 39 ( looks like a P for her name)
William 19
Thomas 17
James R 15
M 14
Susan 12
Isaac 9
J E Cooper 17
Webster Payton 18
Ages for all is correct or off by just one year
Samuel Gilbert moved to Kentucky after the death of his parents
Samuel 46
Lottie 33
J.W. 15
Samuel N 7
William 10
These ages are all correct especially Lottie! Honesty at last!
I. My Samuel Gilbert was born March 27, 1804 and died Sept. 3, 1873. These dates are from his tombstone in Norris Cemetery in St. Clair County, Missouri. Based on these dates, my Samuel seems to work in the censuses above.
II. Simpson County Bios lists Thomas Gilbert as the son of John Gilbert. The bio goes on to say that the father of John Gilbert was Webster Gilbert.
III. Why would Samuel go to Kentucky after his parents death? Because his brother John had settled there. He also lived next door to John for a few years. Samuel left Kentucky abt. 1851 or 1852 based on his sons death certificate. His son John W. died in 1886 and had been a resident of Missouri for 34 years prior to his death. That makes the date of their arrival in Missouri about 1852. The longest period that Samuel lived in Kentucky would have been about 7 years.
IV. I believe that these 2 brothers were close as Samuel named his first born John. John, Samuels brother, had married and moved some distance away from his birth place. Perhaps Samuel named his first born John for his brother John. His other sons were William Webster after his older brother and father? And then Samuel N for him Samuel. This is supposition though.
V. Only have the 1820 census where John and my Samuel would have been listed together as John married in 1827. But their ages work in the 1820 census for Webster Gilbert.
VI. Based on DNA tests, both John and Samuel are descended from Garvis Gilbert.
VII. There is no hard proof just supposition.